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Last updated on 2 months ago
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BohunSenior Member
Posted 2 months ago
#1
https://github.com/zapek/Ambient

Perhaps using AI it would be possible to port Ambient to AROS? What do you think?
cdimaurocdimauroMember
Posted 2 months ago
#2
First Zune need to be completed and be 100% MUI-compatible.
Argo, sonountaleban, r-tea
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deadwoodAROS Dev
Posted 2 months ago
#3
Totally doable.

Probably 2-3 weeks of burning AI tokens would be needed to add the few missing pieces to Zune by someone who knows how to work with AI.

Then it's a matter of taste of course. I personally prefer Wanderer style to Ambients.
cdimauro, sonountaleban, x-vision, terminills
cdimaurocdimauroMember
Posted 2 months ago
#4
I prefer Scalos. Smile
r-tea
AMIGASYSTEMAMIGASYSTEMDistro Maintainer
Posted 2 months ago
#5
I agree, I also prefer Wanderer. It’s convenient to have all the preferences and settings separate, which makes them easier to manage and, above all, helps me figure out more easily when something isn’t working.
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Amiwell79Distro Maintainer
Posted 2 months ago
#6
Honestly, if I had the skills, I’d use Dopus 5, which is the best.
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ntromansVeteran Member
Posted 2 months ago
#7
My penny's worth is for Wanderer. On my wish list would be few more icons in the Window bar (e.g. to toggle view all) and the ability to add user-configired items to the bottom of the menu strip would be great. Anyway, far more important things are hppening right now Smile

Cheers,
Nigel.
Argo, miker1264
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BohunSenior Member
Posted 2 months ago
#8
My post was necessary. Thanks to it, I learned about user preferences ;-)
For my part, I can only add that Wanderer captures the atmosphere of retro operating systems well, while Ambient is "almost" modern.
AMIGASYSTEMAMIGASYSTEMDistro Maintainer
Posted 2 months ago
#9
Ambient has the Scalos style; as I’ve said, I don’t like it, precisely because it integrates all preferences and configurations into a single file – which means that if just one component fails to work, the whole thing crashes.

I prefer Wandere, which follows the Amiga philosophy; back in the day, as well as being cutting-edge and modern, it was also intuitive and easy to learn, even for those with little experience.
cdimaurocdimauroMember
Posted 2 months ago
#10
With AIs it's much easier to spot bugs in the code, and fix them. And even non developers are creating tools, so there's plenty that could be improved on any preferred desktop manager.

Wanderer recalls the past, but it can't be too much complicated, otherwise it wouldn't fit anymore on a ROM for the 68k and requires an external (disk) dependency.
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retrofazaDistro Maintainer
Posted 2 months ago
#11
I like Wanderer. But I'm all for someone porting Ambient as well! As has already been mentioned, that would definitely lead to fixes for Zune, and everyone would benefit from that, not just Ambient users Smile
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Amiwell79Distro Maintainer
Posted 2 months ago
#12
A lot of fixes have been made to Wanderer, it's a pleasure to use it and it also reminds me a lot of the workbench!
pixiepixieMember
Posted 2 months ago
#13

AMIGASYSTEM wrote:

@AMIGASYSTEM - I agree, I also prefer Wanderer. It’s convenient to have all the preferences and settings separate, which makes them easier to manage and, above all, helps me figure out more easily when something isn’t working.


I understand everyone has their own set of preferences, ones prefer dopus 5, you clearly don't, some prefer scalps, you obviously don't, I talked about ambient because imo more software is better than appeasing to the tastes of a few. The way ambient is integrated is thought through and through, it might make some morphos users feel right at home, and might improve aros Zune on the process to accommodate whatever ambient needs as it's mui classes on Zune. But it's not a be all end all type of solution, but since it is open source and from a similar minded OS I thought it made sense.
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AMIGASYSTEMAMIGASYSTEMDistro Maintainer
Posted 2 months ago
#14

cdimauro wrote:

@cdimauro - With AIs it's much easier to spot bugs in the code, and fix them. And even non developers are creating tools, so there's plenty that could be improved on any preferred desktop manager.

Wanderer recalls the past, but it can't be too much complicated, otherwise it wouldn't fit anymore on a ROM for the 68k and requires an external (disk) dependency.


It’s not that simple. AI allows even non-developers to create software; I myself have already created about ten programs. But it’s not for everyone—you need to be an expert in various operating systems. While I.A. generates code, it very often mixes in code from other platforms, such as Linux strings or commands, or code from OS4 and OS3. I.A. has a very short memory, so you always have to check and remind it which system you’re working on. If you compile natively, you’ll often run into these issues.
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terminillsMember
Posted 2 months ago
#15

cdimauro wrote:

@cdimauro - First Zune need to be completed and be 100% MUI-compatible.



Absolutely false. Ambient could be ported by fixing the missing gaps it needs. Not making Zune 100% MUI- Compatible.

it's about 6-8 functions tbh.
deadwood
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terminillsMember
Posted 2 months ago
#16

deadwood wrote:

@deadwood - Totally doable.

Probably 2-3 weeks of burning AI tokens would be needed to add the few missing pieces to Zune by someone who knows how to work with AI.

Then it's a matter of taste of course. I personally prefer Wanderer style to Ambients.


About 3 days to fill in the MUI gaps and you're about right on the debugging. took me about 6 days to get it booting before I lost interest as I would much rather see wanderer updated Smile
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terminillsMember
Posted 2 months ago
#17

cdimauro wrote:

@cdimauro - With AIs it's much easier to spot bugs in the code, and fix them. And even non developers are creating tools, so there's plenty that could be improved on any preferred desktop manager.

Wanderer recalls the past, but it can't be too much complicated, otherwise it wouldn't fit anymore on a ROM for the 68k and requires an external (disk) dependency.


It doesn't fit in rom ... that's the precise reason workbook was created to implement the minimal romable desktop.
cdimauro, ncafferkey
cdimaurocdimauroMember
Posted 2 months ago
#18

AMIGASYSTEM wrote:

@AMIGASYSTEM -

cdimauro wrote:

@cdimauro - With AIs it's much easier to spot bugs in the code, and fix them. And even non developers are creating tools, so there's plenty that could be improved on any preferred desktop manager.

Wanderer recalls the past, but it can't be too much complicated, otherwise it wouldn't fit anymore on a ROM for the 68k and requires an external (disk) dependency.


It’s not that simple. AI allows even non-developers to create software; I myself have already created about ten programs. But it’s not for everyone—you need to be an expert in various operating systems.

That's granted: you should at least be able to check & test the output.

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While I.A. generates code, it very often mixes in code from other platforms, such as Linux strings or commands, or code from OS4 and OS3. I.A. has a very short memory, so you always have to check and remind it which system you’re working on. If you compile natively, you’ll often run into these issues.

The short memory usually comes from local execution, and this requires quite expensive cards nowadays.

Paid coding agents have much longer contexts, but they aren't cheap, at least for coding purposes (they burn too many tokens).
cdimaurocdimauroMember
Posted 2 months ago
#19

terminills wrote:

@terminills -

cdimauro wrote:

@cdimauro - First Zune need to be completed and be 100% MUI-compatible.



Absolutely false. Ambient could be ported by fixing the missing gaps it needs. Not making Zune 100% MUI- Compatible.

it's about 6-8 functions tbh.

terminills wrote:

@terminills -

cdimauro wrote:

@cdimauro - First Zune need to be completed and be 100% MUI-compatible.



Absolutely false. Ambient could be ported by fixing the missing gaps it needs. Not making Zune 100% MUI- Compatible.

it's about 6-8 functions tbh.

terminills wrote:

@terminills -

cdimauro wrote:

@cdimauro - First Zune need to be completed and be 100% MUI-compatible.



Absolutely false. Ambient could be ported by fixing the missing gaps it needs. Not making Zune 100% MUI- Compatible.

it's about 6-8 functions tbh.

Have you tried it (porting it)?
AMIGASYSTEMAMIGASYSTEMDistro Maintainer
Posted 2 months ago
#20
@cdimauro
The video card has nothing to do with the AI's short-term memory.
Even at the height of the discussion, if you make a mistake when asking for something, it misinterprets you and deletes everything; then, if you continue, it no longer remembers anything it was doing—basically, you have to remind it of everything yourself, but it’s like starting from scratch.
You should try creating AI software to see for yourself it seems easy, but it isn’t.
Argo
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